If you are not willing to pay $13.44 per month for a few months, then please record your name here and how much you are willing to pay.
JeffreyDrake is not willing to pay a combined total of over $7.00. Current and future plans involve very minimal use of resources and costs cannot be justified. This position is current till at least the new year.
NathanKennedy suggests offering an opt-in alternative plan at a flat rate of $5 per month to members whose resource usage is in the bottom quintile. At his current level JeffreyDrake would qualify. For the future members who do not qualify or opt in would evenly split remaining costs. Opting-in members would be responsible for keeping their disk/bandwidth/memory/CPU usage low, and would also likely need to have stricter quotas and ulimits set.
TanveerSingh thinks this may not work as we still do not have a reliable quota system. Sure we have web stats but things like ftp/ssh etc., are not really logged properly and we currently do not have the required infrastructure(software) to do so. Admins may correct me if I am wrong
I was thinking of using a semihonor system to enforce this. It's fairly obvious who the heavier users are, and it is unlikely that someone near the bottom of disk/web usage is going to be using sneaky methods to waste HCOOP's resources in other ways. If it became a problem we could revisit this. --NathanKennedy
As current bleed on funds is just over $3 per month, an additional $5 per month would be very economical for me. -- JeffreyDrake
As someone who uses 1% of total bandwidth used on avg (from last 3 months stats) and 1% of the largest disk user (so percent to total would be miniscule) and whose CPU usage is unknown, but whose budget for hosting from donations to support my site is approx $5 (each user donates $6 to "sponsor" that particular month) , this new amount, even if temporary, would force me to leave and look for other hosting that is within my expense limitations. And I understand that we are not using all of the bandwidth we are presently getting, so my percent of that would be even less. --Hallgren/chatmroomcc
Your stats are somewhat disingenuous. You have been consistently been one of the top bandwidth users of late--so far this month number 2 out of 67, after clinton. Likewise your disk usage is not high but it is just a bit below the median. It would make sense to charge extra to those members who are using disproportionate resources, e.g. clinton and a few others on bandwidth and terry and a few others on disk space, but it is debatable whether this is actually a good idea when we are so far from being saturated and the difference is a single order of magnitude. But while I am certainly willing to look for ways to keep your costs low, you certainly aren't using below-average server resources. --NathanKennedy
- I'll be the first to agree that for current month thus far, my bandwidth is high. I was looking at prior months and comparing it to overall total used. I'm also under the impression that we are not using anywhere near the bandwidth that we are presently under contract for. So how do we account for all the unused capacity? I'll never need that much capacity. If HCoop gets billed for , let's say for example, 10 times the bandwidth we now use, should I as one who doesn't need/want that resource be billed based on that? That was my point. -- Hallgren
You can't just say you're using 1% of the co-op's total bandwidth. First of all, a lot of that bandwidth is used by HCoop's websites and is not allocated to any individual user at all, and moreover we have 67 members. You are using several times the median bandwidth per member. And yes, we do have a free terabyte of bandwidth monthly at Interserver, that we are now only using a fraction of. But it's not as if you can just say you are being overcharging. At Xiolink, we didn't have free bandwidth and we were paying per gig, through the nose--more than we are paying at Interserver. And we need to have room to expand--even discounting new members, our bandwidth usage has been steadily rising. We have a contract for bandwidth for the mutual benefit of all our members, you are not the only one paying for this "wasted" bandwidth. If all goes well, as new members join costs per member will steadily drop from $13/month back to the under $5/member where it is now, but with vastly greater resources, network, and overall value to each member within our expanded infrastructure. I hope we can arrange a situation where you can afford dues through that point, but in order to get there we have to be equitable to all members. -- NathanKennedy
AlexandreSantos is not willing to pay $13.44 per month for a few months. I perfectly understand that people wish to improve and expand the capacities of HCoop, but it just goes beyond the budget I had planned for my webhosting. I also understand that this could unfortunatelly mean the end of my participation to HCoop. If the others agree, I would be happy to pay $5/month as long as my ressource usage remains suitably low. Sorry for not being more supportive, but at the moment I just do not have the time to use the ressources and can't really justify the increased expenses. --AlexandreSantos
Your utilization of HCoop has consistently been very low, lower even than jdrake's. Regardless of the scheme that we choose, at your present usage levels you would definitely qualify for the reduced rate, which I would like to keep to at most $5 monthly. I certainly understand your need to keep costs low and obviously you are not using $13 worth of services by any measure. --NathanKennedy
RickHull is not willing to pay $13.44 per month for a few months. I echo AlexandreSantos' comments. I am currently above the median on both bandwidth and disk usage, but I cleaned out some backups (2006-08-15) and du now shows 63344. Also, the band whose website I am hosting has been hiatus since July and does not expect much web traffic from here on out. August's statistics should be telling... $6.72 sounds about right...