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| Based on our responses from colocation providers (or lack thereof), this page will be updated with information from potential providers to help us make our decision. | See the responses from various providers to our ProspectiveHostsQuoteRequest. Where available, their actual responses are provided as attached PDF files. |
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| == Providers Still in Contention for Hcoop, Inc. Colocation == | == GAIA Host == |
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| 1. [http://www.gaiahost.coop/ GAIA Host] 2. [http://www.he.net/ he.net] Large colo provider with two? data centers and a solid reputation. 3. [http://www.inreach.com/ InReach] 4. [http://www.peer1.net/ Peer1] Another large colo provider, with about 5 data centers. Perhaps slightly larger than he.net. 5. [http://www.simpli.biz/ Simpli] (my personal favorite so far --AdamChlipala) 6. [http://www.switchanddata.com/index.asp Switch and Data] has many carrier-neutral data centers in New York that I would like to check for pricing. |
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| GAIA contacted us after receiving the quote request, but it has taken them more than a week to give us a follow-up quote. So far, they are the only provider in the list who is willing to sell us hardware. However, it seems that they would be putting it in a data center like one of the larger providers that are being considered below, such as He.net or Peer 1. | |
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| == Providers No Longer in Contention for Hcoop, Inc. Colocation == | Did they ever give a followup quote? They obviously have to give us a better deal on bandwidth than offered on their website, otherwise they cannot be considered. If they can offer us good value, I think we should consider giving them a chance for at least an intermediate expansion, but if they are charging too much or simply too flaky as they have seemed in the past, then they can't be in the running. NathanKennedy |
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| * SeattleCCP, NYCCP and riseup.net - Riseup.net does not offer colocation services. Seattle CCP and NYCCP are no longer viable options, based on the fact that they didn't respond to inquiries or that our emails to them bounced. | On April 17, 2006 I still have not received a followup quote. I also don't know where their facilities are located... I am guessing something less impressive that he.net or Peer 1's data centers. If this is the case I would think that our members could save time and money by doing the legwork of server installation and dealing with the colocation providers ourselves, rather than going through GAIA. Of course, it is always nice to do work with other cooperatives if we have a sound reason to do so. JustinLeitgeb == He.net == [http://www.he.net/] If we can stay under 1MB/s, the rate for bandwidth plus up to 7U is $300/month. He.net does not sell hardware. Their response to our request as a PDF: attachment:he_colo.pdf HE looks great. I have heard great things about them, and this is definitely a good deal for what it is. I think they come a close second after Peer1 for quality. NathanKennedy == InReach == [http://www.inreach.com/] Didn't receive reply to first email sent on 4/8/2006 to sales@inreach.com, sent second email on 4/17/2006 with our form quote request. Update: email to sales@inreach.com could not be sent for more than 4 hours, seems like an internal error on inreach's network. Since these signs don't bode well for future service, I will put them on the inactive list unless I receive a compelling quote in the next few days. == Peer 1 == [http://www.peer1.net] Peer 1 offers a quarter cabinet for 10U. A fast ethernet port with a 5MB/s connection is provided. Monthly costs for the space will be $750, and there would be a $400 initial charge for installation of a rack/cabinet. Peer 1 does not sell hardware. Their response to our request as a PDF: attachment:Peer1.QuarterCab.Proposal.pdf It looks pretty clear that Peer1 is by far the highest quality provider on our list, and I was impressed by their letter and quote. The bar to entry is also high; $750 a month and 10U to utilize. On the other hand it is tempting; PLENTY of room for growth probably for years to come, a first-class network (450 direct tier one peers, 1-ms maximum intercity latency, 4-ms maximum intercity latency delivery to any tier one peer). We would NOT be having the kind of network issues we were plagued with in the past with Interserver. It is definitely a good value, but it an awfully big step up from where we are now--we don't want to waste member resources if the cabinet went vastly underutilized for long periods of time; we would need a major membership drive or some really big clients. Another advantage is the datacenter is in Manhattan and provides secure unescorted access. I could personally be there to fix, install, or upgrade shit from my house within an hour. Of course if we are thinking beyond two years we can't just count on me, since who knows what I will be doing then, and of course on-site response can't be replaced in a lot of situations, but having an alternative to a $150/hour remote hands fee for most situations would be nice. NathanKennedy Another thing, I seriously think we should consider marketing dedicated servers or collocation ourselves. This would be another valuable service we could provide, which would make it much easier to fill larger cabinets and allow even our $5/mo. members to benefit from the best possible facilities. NathanKennedy == Switch and Data == [http://www.switchanddata.com/] Switch and Data is carrier-neutral, meaning that they would give us space, and we would buy bandwidth from another provider (or multiple providers, eventually). I got quotes for three locations that Switch and Data has in NYC. The reason that the 65 Broadway location is slightly less expensive than the other two locations is because it has connections to fewer providers available compared to the other locations in NYC. If we can live with the providers Bundled Half Cabinet: Includes: (1) Half Locking Cabinet/Open Face Rack, 10 AMPS AC Power, (1) Cross Connect (Media Agnostic) 65 Broadway: $625.00 Monthly Recurring Cost 111 8th & 60 Hudson St: $775.00 Monthly Recurring Cost The Switch and Data representative also gave me site specifications for their three locations in NYC. * attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_111_8th_.pdf * attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_60_Hudson_8.01.05.pdf * attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_65_Broadway_4.22.05.pdf == Simpli == [http://www.simpli.biz/] Didn't receive reply to first email sent on 4/8/2006 to sales@simpli.biz, sent second email on 4/17/2006 with our form quote request. |
1. Evaluation of Potential Colocation Providers
See the responses from various providers to our ProspectiveHostsQuoteRequest. Where available, their actual responses are provided as attached PDF files.
1.1. GAIA Host
GAIA contacted us after receiving the quote request, but it has taken them more than a week to give us a follow-up quote. So far, they are the only provider in the list who is willing to sell us hardware. However, it seems that they would be putting it in a data center like one of the larger providers that are being considered below, such as He.net or Peer 1.
Did they ever give a followup quote? They obviously have to give us a better deal on bandwidth than offered on their website, otherwise they cannot be considered. If they can offer us good value, I think we should consider giving them a chance for at least an intermediate expansion, but if they are charging too much or simply too flaky as they have seemed in the past, then they can't be in the running. NathanKennedy
On April 17, 2006 I still have not received a followup quote. I also don't know where their facilities are located... I am guessing something less impressive that he.net or Peer 1's data centers. If this is the case I would think that our members could save time and money by doing the legwork of server installation and dealing with the colocation providers ourselves, rather than going through GAIA. Of course, it is always nice to do work with other cooperatives if we have a sound reason to do so. JustinLeitgeb
1.2. He.net
If we can stay under 1MB/s, the rate for bandwidth plus up to 7U is $300/month.
He.net does not sell hardware.
Their response to our request as a PDF: attachment:he_colo.pdf
HE looks great. I have heard great things about them, and this is definitely a good deal for what it is. I think they come a close second after Peer1 for quality. NathanKennedy
1.3. InReach
Didn't receive reply to first email sent on 4/8/2006 to sales@inreach.com, sent second email on 4/17/2006 with our form quote request.
Update: email to sales@inreach.com could not be sent for more than 4 hours, seems like an internal error on inreach's network. Since these signs don't bode well for future service, I will put them on the inactive list unless I receive a compelling quote in the next few days.
1.4. Peer 1
Peer 1 offers a quarter cabinet for 10U. A fast ethernet port with a 5MB/s connection is provided. Monthly costs for the space will be $750, and there would be a $400 initial charge for installation of a rack/cabinet.
Peer 1 does not sell hardware.
Their response to our request as a PDF: attachment:Peer1.QuarterCab.Proposal.pdf
It looks pretty clear that Peer1 is by far the highest quality provider on our list, and I was impressed by their letter and quote. The bar to entry is also high; $750 a month and 10U to utilize. On the other hand it is tempting; PLENTY of room for growth probably for years to come, a first-class network (450 direct tier one peers, 1-ms maximum intercity latency, 4-ms maximum intercity latency delivery to any tier one peer). We would NOT be having the kind of network issues we were plagued with in the past with Interserver. It is definitely a good value, but it an awfully big step up from where we are now--we don't want to waste member resources if the cabinet went vastly underutilized for long periods of time; we would need a major membership drive or some really big clients. Another advantage is the datacenter is in Manhattan and provides secure unescorted access. I could personally be there to fix, install, or upgrade shit from my house within an hour. Of course if we are thinking beyond two years we can't just count on me, since who knows what I will be doing then, and of course on-site response can't be replaced in a lot of situations, but having an alternative to a $150/hour remote hands fee for most situations would be nice. NathanKennedy Another thing, I seriously think we should consider marketing dedicated servers or collocation ourselves. This would be another valuable service we could provide, which would make it much easier to fill larger cabinets and allow even our $5/mo. members to benefit from the best possible facilities. NathanKennedy
1.5. Switch and Data
[http://www.switchanddata.com/]
Switch and Data is carrier-neutral, meaning that they would give us space, and we would buy bandwidth from another provider (or multiple providers, eventually). I got quotes for three locations that Switch and Data has in NYC. The reason that the 65 Broadway location is slightly less expensive than the other two locations is because it has connections to fewer providers available compared to the other locations in NYC. If we can live with the providers
Bundled Half Cabinet:
Includes: (1) Half Locking Cabinet/Open Face Rack, 10 AMPS AC Power, (1) Cross Connect (Media Agnostic)
65 Broadway: $625.00 Monthly Recurring Cost
111 8th & 60 Hudson St: $775.00 Monthly Recurring Cost
The Switch and Data representative also gave me site specifications for their three locations in NYC.
- attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_111_8th_.pdf
- attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_60_Hudson_8.01.05.pdf
- attachment:Site_Spec_NYC_65_Broadway_4.22.05.pdf
1.6. Simpli
Didn't receive reply to first email sent on 4/8/2006 to sales@simpli.biz, sent second email on 4/17/2006 with our form quote request.